Discussion IPL 2019 | Winner - Mumbai Indians

[Jagadeesh]

I'm sorry, we can't consider Quora as a source. I can also create a profile on Quora and say that I'm an umpire and write whatever I want as an answer. You quoted the rule number earlier. So please post an official link or pic that shows that rule.

41.7 Bowling of dangerous and unfair non-pitching deliveries

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

41.7.2 The bowling of a delivery as defined in 41.7.1 is also dangerous if the bowler’s end umpire considers that there is a risk of injury to the striker. In making that judgement the umpire shall:

disregard any protective equipment worn by the striker
be mindful of:
- the speed, height and direction of the delivery
- the skill of the striker
- the repeated nature of such deliveries.
41.7.3 If the umpire considers a non-pitching delivery, or a series of non-pitching deliveries, to be dangerous under 41.7.2, when the ball is dead, the umpire shall repeat the No ball signal to the scorers and then caution the bowler, indicating that this is a first and final warning. The umpire shall also inform the other umpire, the captain of the fielding side and the batsmen of what has occurred. This caution shall apply to that bowler throughout the innings.

41.7.4 Should there be any further dangerous such delivery by the same bowler in that innings, the umpire shall

call and signal No ball
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling
inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.
Additionally, the umpire shall

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

41.7.5 The warning and action sequences in 41.7.3 and 41.7.4 are independent of those in 41.6.

41.7.6 If the umpire considers that a bowler deliberately bowled a non-pitching delivery, deemed to be unfair as defined in 41.7.1, then the caution and warning in 41.7.3 shall be dispensed with. The umpire shall

immediately call and signal No ball.
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling and inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team

Umpire - Refers To Either Of Them. Unless Stated Bowler's Or Striker's End.

The Above Is Taken From Lord's Website - MCC Rules.

 

[Vishnu777]

41.7.4 Should there be any further dangerous such delivery by the same bowler in that innings, the umpire shall

call and signal No ball
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling
inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.
Additionally, the umpire shall

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

41.7.5 The warning and action sequences in 41.7.3 and 41.7.4 are independent of those in 41.6.

41.7.6 If the umpire considers that a bowler deliberately bowled a non-pitching delivery, deemed to be unfair as defined in 41.7.1, then the caution and warning in 41.7.3 shall be dispensed with. The umpire shall

immediately call and signal No ball.
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling and inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

Umpire - Refers To Either Of Them. Unless Stated Bowler's Or Striker's End.

The Above Is Taken From Lord's Website - MCC Rules.

The following is the website na?

The Laws | MCC

 

[Jagadeesh]

The following is the website na?

The Laws | MCC

Yup.

 

[Endgame]

I Never Copied From Wikipedia And I Stand That My Statement Is 100% Correct. But I Took That From MCC's Law Book For Umpire's Exam. Stop Finding Loop Holes To Tackle Others. Learn To Accept Your Mistakes. Life Will Be More Good. I Thought You Forgot About The Issue. But You Are Again Starting. BTW, This Attitude Is Not Good For A Moderator And For Your Life Also. Cheers.

Is this 21.10? No. All these arguments were based on your that false statement. Did you copy-pasted from Wiki? Yes. Did you lied? Yes. Did you falsely accused me multiple times? Yes. Did you fabricated actual rules/facts? Yes. Did you deliberately tried to divert things when caught red-handed? Yes. Did you provided the source @Siva bro asked? No, rather you posted some other (MCC law-book, which I've already posted). Where's the MCC law-book of umpire's exam?

 

[Siva]

41.7 Bowling of dangerous and unfair non-pitching deliveries

41.7.1 Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is unfair. Whenever such a delivery is bowled, the umpire shall call and signal No ball.

41.7.2 The bowling of a delivery as defined in 41.7.1 is also dangerous if the bowler’s end umpire considers that there is a risk of injury to the striker. In making that judgement the umpire shall:

disregard any protective equipment worn by the striker
be mindful of:
- the speed, height and direction of the delivery
- the skill of the striker
- the repeated nature of such deliveries.
41.7.3 If the umpire considers a non-pitching delivery, or a series of non-pitching deliveries, to be dangerous under 41.7.2, when the ball is dead, the umpire shall repeat the No ball signal to the scorers and then caution the bowler, indicating that this is a first and final warning. The umpire shall also inform the other umpire, the captain of the fielding side and the batsmen of what has occurred. This caution shall apply to that bowler throughout the innings.

41.7.4 Should there be any further dangerous such delivery by the same bowler in that innings, the umpire shall

call and signal No ball
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling
inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.
Additionally, the umpire shall

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team.

41.7.5 The warning and action sequences in 41.7.3 and 41.7.4 are independent of those in 41.6.

41.7.6 If the umpire considers that a bowler deliberately bowled a non-pitching delivery, deemed to be unfair as defined in 41.7.1, then the caution and warning in 41.7.3 shall be dispensed with. The umpire shall

immediately call and signal No ball.
when the ball is dead, direct the captain of the fielding side to suspend the bowler immediately from bowling and inform the other umpire for the reason for this action.
The bowler thus suspended shall not be allowed to bowl again in that innings.
If applicable, the over shall be completed by another bowler, who shall neither have bowled any part of the previous over, nor be allowed to bowl any part of the next over.

report the occurrence to the batsmen and, as soon as practicable, to the captain of the batting side.
The umpires together shall report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the offending side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain, any other individuals concerned and, if appropriate, the team

Umpire - Refers To Either Of Them. Unless Stated Bowler's Or Striker's End.

The Above Is Taken From Lord's Website - MCC Rules.

So you quoted a wrong rule number and based your arugment on that? And from where did you get the earlier rule number? You mentioned about a book, was that wrong? We need answers from you.

 

[Jagadeesh]

So you quoted a wrong rule number and based your arugment on that? And from where did you get the earlier rule number? You mentioned about a book, was that wrong? We need answers from you.

May Be The Rule Number Was InCorrect. But What I Stated Was 100% Correct. And That I Took From An Umpire's Exam Book. The No-Ball Rules Were Changed In 2017. May Be That Book's Rule Was Published Before 2017. But The Statement I Posted Is Correct And The Argument Stands Before The Statement And Not The Rule Number. He Said Bowler's End Umpire Cannot Call No-Ball And I Said He Can Call By Showing The Statement. May Be, As You The Rule Number Is Wrong, But However, The Law And The Statement Is Quoted Is Correct. And I Also Again Say That, I Copied That From A Umpire's Exam Book. I Searched Google For The Topic, Found That, Copied And Pasted. If You Want Screenshot Of That, I Am Looking For That PDF. Once I Get That, I Will Post That Again. But Again I Say That I Never Posted False Statement.

 

[Siva]

May Be The Rule Number Was InCorrect. But What I Stated Was 100% Correct. And That I Took From An Umpire's Exam Book. The No-Ball Rules Were Changed In 2017. May Be That Book's Rule Was Published Before 2017. But The Statement I Posted Is Correct And The Argument Stands Before The Statement And Not The Rule Number. He Said Bowler's End Umpire Cannot Call No-Ball And I Said He Can Call By Showing The Statement. May Be, As You The Rule Number Is Wrong, But However, The Law And The Statement Is Quoted Is Correct. And I Also Again Say That, I Copied That From A Umpire's Exam Book. I Searched Google For The Topic, Found That, Copied And Pasted. If You Want Screenshot Of That, I Am Looking For That PDF. Once I Get That, I Will Post That Again. But Again I Say That I Never Posted False Statement.

Yes, please post the screenshot of your book so that we will get clarity on this.

 

[Jagadeesh]

Is this 21.10? No. All these arguments were based on your that false statement. Did you copy-pasted from Wiki? Yes. Did you lied? Yes. Did you falsely accused me multiple times? Yes. Did you fabricated actual rules/facts? Yes. Did you deliberately tried to divert things when caught red-handed? Yes. Did you provided the source @Siva bro asked? No, rather you posted some other (MCC law-book, which I've already posted). Where's the MCC law-book of umpire's exam?

That May Not Be 21.10, But It Is Currently Stated In 21.11 With A Reference To 41.7. I Correct You That My Statement Is Not A False Statement. It Is Correct And I Still Say That Bowler's End Umpire Can Call No Ball. I Have Even Provided Multiple Sources For That. On What Basis, You Say That The Statement Is False..? You Can Only Say That The Law Number Is Wrong. I Never Copy Pasted From Wiki. And I Never Lied. I Never Falsely Accused You Multiple Times. I Never Fabricated Actual Rules/Facts..? If I Did, Just Say What I Fabricated. You Deliberately Tried To Divert Things When I Said You Statement Is False. You Diverted The Issue To Wikipedia And Now Even More. I Provided @Siva Bro With The Source To My Statement. If You Have Posted MCC-Law Book Already, Then That Law Says Bowler's End Umpire Can Call A No-Ball Which Is What You Refuse Without A Source. I Cannot Store All The Searches I Do In Google. I Searched The Other Day And Posted That Information Which Is 100% Correct. That Source's Law Number May Be Old/InCorrect, But The Statement Is 100% Correct..?

 

[Jagadeesh]

Yes, please post the screenshot of your book so that we will get clarity on this.

The Issue Here Is With The Statement Or The Law Number..? We Were Discussing A Law Statement. Not A Law Number.

 

[Siva]

The Issue Here Is With The Statement Or The Law Number..? We Were Discussing A Law Statement. Not A Law Number.

Of course, it's with the statement. But since the entire argument was based on your 1st post of that particular law number, we wanted to see the source of that particular law number you quoted initially.